Matteo Renzi, two years . These are the days of the slowdown: the school, the false accounting, yet the Prime Minister at Palazzo Chigi opens the agenda of the second year of government. “We need to accelerate out of school, environment, culture. On civil unions we must proceed with the same determination that we put on the electoral law. Doing things left. In Europe we are considered the government to the left. Tsipras we helped us with Hollande and the Greeks there recognized him. Only in Italy there are those who consider me right, those who repeat that we had a secret agreement with Berlusconi for President of the Republic. Sometimes you have also written of you ‘”Espresso” … “
It was not true, President?
“A Berlusconi we said: we give you a name that you our vote, many of his did. If we gave a backhoe, as in 2013, we delivered the right choice. We may be right, as some say of you, but at least this error we have not done. “
On growth, despite his optimism and 80 euro, also 2014 closed with the minus sign. What plans for 2015?
“A year ago we had given a framework in line with forecasts in Europe. A slow down was not Italy, we have improved compared to the past, it was Europe. For 2015 the EU assigns us a most 0.6, the Bank of Italy plus one, Confindustria launches figures much more positive. We have provided a more 0.5: all that is in addition is a treasure that we will use. The positive signs are not enough, but if we remove the fear we can do it. Just to give an example: the money saved by the Italians to fear from 2012 to date, more plan Juncker. There are parts of Italy that are already broken down and going stronger than Germany. The public debt is high, but the private wealth is double. We have a pension system among the most sustainable and a very solid banking system, our operation on the banks it will strengthen even more. To all this must be added the money recovered by the return of capital. “
We had to wait for the publication of the list Falciani to see the signing of the tax with Switzerland …
“There is only Switzerland. I, for one, hope to recover a bit ‘of money even by the Vatican. “
The accounts of the IOR? There is a negotiation going on?
“We are discussing. What we did with Switzerland, with Monte Carlo or Liechtenstein we want to do with the Vatican. There are many Italians involved and I believe that the Holy See is interested in making a clean sweep. “
There will be new reforms? The Regions: to cut, to merge?
“I have nothing against it, but the issue is not on the agenda. There are no numbers in this legislature, we could not even enter in the reform of the Constitution an amendment on the macro-regions. But on the reform of the state we are doing a great job. Reorganize the State means overcoming the Senate, the provinces and bet on technological innovation and simplification. And then move on to four police. On this we have a delegation in the reform Madia. It should be rationalized presence at sea: you can not have too many overlaps. And then the ministries have to talk more. For me it is unacceptable that they are called to initial: MEF, MIT, Ministry of Education, Mibact, Mise … There are agencies that do the same thing in three different ministries. Technicians who write in a language often obscure. Sogei has two thousand engineers and could not work as we are in the season of Big Data. The system works with the Inland Revenue today I do not like: it is not clear, leaves no room for discretion incomprehensible. The model of public administration for the citizens is the i-Phone: A screen with a single code and many applications. We’ll get to pay taxes with a text message. Today, however, there are the ruling, silence-rejection … We need a simplification that is not done overnight, but after the passage of the law Madia many things will disassemble. For the Government I have in mind the model of a council that works with a strong power of the direction of the mayor. “
In fact she is his ministers as councilors: Education Minister Stefania Giannini knew nothing of the decree school, Pier Carlo Padoan knew nothing of tax decree, Paolo Gentiloni and Roberta Pinotti were proven wrong on soldiers in Libya. She commands with Lotti, Woods, Manzione, Gutgeld …
Is not it. The Minister Pinotti there was a clarification in the government and we explained. Economy Minister knew all of the roof of the three percent, the text was agreed with him and then discussed in the Council of Ministers. The Council is a collegial body. They tell me that I exaggerate, because Article 95 of the Constitution provides for the responsibility of ministers on their departments. But in all these years has been exaggerated in the opposite direction. There is a minister face a decree and then come to know. School we are committed with the President of the Republic and the opposition to present less decrees possible. Let us agree: first accuse me of being a dictator who wants to do everything myself, if I present a bill open to discussion accuse me not to decide. There are six months before hiring temporary workers, we see if the law goes on or if there will be a requirement for an emergency decree. “
You talk to the mayor of Italy. It is its institutional project?
“It’s an image. The substance is that we are making a historic reform on bicameralism and an electoral law with the runoff and the prize list that will change the system. And on this point I hope to open a serious discussion in the Democratic Party. “
What?
“If the prize goes to the list serves a reform of the party. If this can help the internal discussion, are ready to discuss the register of electors and to eliminate the primaries to elect the regional secretaries. Return to a party in which to be registered, to have the card in the pocket of the Democratic Party, it means to count in the choices. “
What, she just wants to restore the party of the tiles?
“A party that points to the premium list must be less light than I originally imagined. We need a new road than the old model of party now passed, but also with respect to the American party that was my initial dream. A party that is not just an electoral committee. If the Democratic Party you want to discuss this are ready. Although I know that some say no to everything on principle. I make the meetings? Too little. I do not the meetings? It means that I decide alone. It seems the model “Darling I love you” by Elio e le Storie Tese: if I stay at home oppress me, if I go out say that this house is not a hotel …. “
This is the state of the dialogue between her and Pier Luigi Bersani?
“I respect him, but we never found a fee feeeling staff. Her recommendations on many issues are precious. But his battle on details of the electoral law is incomprehensible. In Pd there are those who fought a life for the two-round without getting it, we have succeeded. The award to the list means major vocation. Preferences? There are, for more gender. If you had told me at the beginning we were doing an electoral law so I would not have believed it myself! So this continuous revival do not understand it more. I’ll explain only with the need to take the point. But they do it on poverty, at work, on the model of education in the country, on Rai, not to remove candidates from college and return to the blocked lists! “
Years ago you said that renziani” have a disease. ” It has become an epidemic. They are all renziani and divided between them captive-renziani, renziani Orthodox. But as political culture, what is the renzismo?
“The renzismo not exist. There is the Democratic Party. “
Pd there are so many. What is his?
“What took 41 percent in the European elections. It is an accident of history? It is a vote that was built by subtraction, compared to the crisis of Berlusconi and fear of Beppe Grillo? For me it was the attempt to paint an idea of Italy. Italy country of hope, where everything is still possible, against Grillo, Berlusconi, Salvini and the same Vendola who spoke the language of anger. This we ask the people of the 41 percent. For this we were the most voted party in Europe. To continue to develop this idea we need more reflection, more preparation. And more communication: it is not the tool that hides the policy, but it interprets and tells. Watch the Jobs Act: after approval to the Council of Ministers of 24 December, the leader of the Democratic Party Roberto Hope leaped and Maurizio Sacconi dell’Ncd complained. Two months after the other, leaving the proxies. The texts are identical, but this time Sacconi exults and Hope complains. Everything is communication. For our part is a schizophrenic communication! “
What should hope, revive his tweet?
“Never mind, I do not make many more even. Communication is not “House of cards”, is how Italians tell a story. Alessandra Moretti is doing in Veneto, resigned from MEP, is touring the region town by town to present his idea and he stopped going on TV. Although the other day, jokingly, I said bring it on a talk, or else forget about her … Well go in small towns, but the welcome better if the night before was on TV. “
There’s the Democratic Party of communication and there is the Democratic Party of Campania Vincenzo De Luca. Where renewal?
“If you do the primaries must accept the result. I left the party free to do as he wanted. There is no renzismo applied to the territories, everyone does what he wants, too, they say my. The only responsibility I claim is the one of the five women to lead the lists in the European elections and ruining the lives of some mayor. “
Who sees as an alternative to Renzi in the next election, when we will: Salvini? Grillo? Berlusconi? Lease? Alfano?
“Meanwhile, I’ll have to see if the candidate of the Democratic Party … we will do the primaries. I will run against those who want to show up. “
Although she is the outgoing premier?
“For me it is a staple. The candidate for prime minister should be chosen with the primaries. We need a very strong popular investiture. And the candidate for prime minister is also the secretary of the party: the two positions coincide. If he loses, does the leader of the opposition. “
In the Democratic Party there is an alternative to Renzi?
“To the left is already. I see that we think Typhoid. I would not understand some complaints that I received in some factories by the Fiom if not based on a political plan. Or Laura Boldrini: I can not explain certain positions that has taken in recent days, coming also from its scope of intervention with institutional assessments about whether or not to make an order that does not belong to the president of a branch of Parliament. To the left there will be someone, make them. Moreover, if we adopt the logic of the “pas d’ennemis à gauche” we lose elections and not govern. Remember the Union? “.
And right?
“I was impressed by the square of Salvini. It’s a brand new right: Le Pen, Pound House and members of the League of Bergamo valleys all together. Do not fear it, but do not underestimate the. And the Democratic Party has to reflect: outside Dem left us there, there’s this stuff here. “
The Democratic Party is far from the suburbs? For a piece of Veneto Stacchio the gas station that killed a robber is a hero. And for you?
“For me it is a person who has asked not to be transformed into a hero and said with great humanity his pain. Turn it into a symbol is an operation barbaric and cynical, he asked not to do so. As saying that terrorists arrive with the boat. Then it turns out that the Executioner of Is is London. It is Europe that has been exported, not the opposite. The question of the suburbs is not of public order, but urban. The city does not become safer with the army but with redevelopment projects such as Renzo Piano for which we have invested fifty million. “
She repeats: stretch with Berlusconi because it represents the moderates. It is still the case?
“For the moment, yes. Berlusconi is the head of the main opposition party, as Grillo itself from everything, it marginalizes alone. But I was very burned by the attitude of Berlusconi on the election of Mattarella. I was serious with him. And loyal to the Covenant of the Nazarene that did not contain the Presidency of the Republic. “
The Berlusconi, however, swear to the contrary.
“None of us has ever said that the Nazarene concerned the Quirinale. Then there is a literature that this agreement included no matter what, even the recruitment of Milan. I have kept the covenant, Berlusconi not. I think because forced by Brunetta. And somewhere strategist lit Palazzo Grazioli. “
Brunetta is the head of Berlusconi?
“From the first day the leader of Forza Italy in the House, unlike the Senate, has rowed against the reforms and the covenant of the Nazarene. Brunetta has worked to make out the doves. “
Who would? His friend Verdini?
“I understand that define Verdini dove is a transformation ornithological surprising: he was the head of the Hawks when they had a majority. But Verdini is a pragmatist who knows the first rule of politics: the balance of power. We also know that the numbers alone. I’ve always said to Berlusconi: the covenant with you I do it for a political act, not a necessity for numerical. He changed his mind, talks between Brunetta and a part of the minority of the Democratic Party have convinced him that I would stop on constitutional reform. Instead we went ahead. Now I hope that you come back to Italy Forza reasonableness: this rule we wrote together. How to explain the vote against? “.
The possible acquisition of Rcs books by Mondadori Minister Franceschini said he was concerned. Shares?
“I see Dario. But I’m not worried. The problem of the RCS, we want to say is that ?, extraordinary company was badly weakened. I do not care Mondadori, I worry about Rizzoli-Corriere della Sera, the value of which was destroyed by questionable choices. I’m sorry to be that a large Italian publishing company is in trouble. “
And the opas Mediaset on Raiway? Even that worry you?
“I say, twenty years ago we were strong competitors at European level, now we’re not anymore. What interests me is that there is an investment for the future. Mediaset has a business strategy? The respect. Let them do what they need for their company by the rules. And we do not change the rules for Mediaset, neither positive nor negative. 51 percent of Raiway must remain public, this is not discussed. And Rai must think about how to sell his fiction abroad, how to produce programs in English, create culture. I imagine a Rai who speaks of the history of Italy not only with the display cases, but in a language that the boys emotions. “
It seems Rai pedagogical, one color: black and white and dc, to Ettore Bernabei 60s.
“Black & White to me he never told anyone! Seriously, one of Bernabei had an educational value, I think of a popular television template master Manzi. “
You wrote:” We have to change our way of telling Italy. ” But it is up to the prime minister to decide how it is told Italy?
“The prime minister is one that tells a story. If you do not know the rest is useless. The change from the past is that ours is a true story, believable. “
Sometimes the prime minister also tells some story. The important thing is that it does not claim that all repeated the story he wants.
“Do not ever speak ill of fables. He knows what he said Chesterton? Fairy tales do not tell children that the dragon does not exist, they say that the dragon can be defeated. Sure, I do not want a Rai moralist. But a public service that educates children to be enthusiastic for Turandot. A Rai who sells better its products without selling off its identity. “
It will serve to this decree to change the governance Rai?
“There will be a decree. We will make a decision to allow the head of never having to undergo bureaucratic procedures in kilometers or have the nightmare of the Court of Auditors. And I’d like that every network had its identity. “
Before we had: the political subdivision.
“They should have a cultural identity. Raiuno generalist, Raidue innovation and experimentation, Raitre culture. And I do not want to go around the world with five microphones of RAI to interview me. It only takes one. “
And in Italy will continue to walk around with the helicopter of State?
“Sure. I took it and I will continue to take it. All the times that you will need. “
It is an image very far from the mayor who took the train alone and railed against the Caste?
“I wanted to show that a politician, a mayor, is a normal life. I was moving by bike, I was running, I had no escort. Obviously did Rome-Florence by train and the trolley. Now they are no longer a normal citizen. When I go to sleep I have a police officer who accompanies me, controls me and I closes in. When you are in the hotel there is an agent that piantona me out, if I go to the bookstore I have people that I escort. A bill is the caste, thousands of people who receive benefits that should not have, another is the security protocols of a person who does pro tempore head of government of the sixth industrial country in the world and can not do without it, always pro tempore. When I came to Palazzo Chigi had no escort. And the day when I finish I will say now I do not want any more. Thank you for your service, goodbye, leave me alone. But as long as I do the premier security institutions is first of demagogy. ”
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